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Negotiating

Inside View: Bidding Tips

Bidding a project correctly is one of the most crucial parts of getting awarded a job. The way you bid CAN ultimately get you in or lose the job. As much as every bid depends on the situation, there are also some standards and rules that you can educate yourself about and utilize to your benefit. 


Here are 5 tips to help you become an even more successful bidder!


Tip #1: Creative Fees + Usage


Always have a signed estimate that clearly describes what the bid is based on and what the licensed usage is. Be sure all costs are agreed on before beginning the job. 


It is our responsibility to clearly spell out what our numbers cover and don’t cover. I used the top of the estimate for this, and call it “description.”


Always define the amount of shots and what they are. Remember to specify that the bid does not include variations, added shots, or different angles. Mostly, this section is how you protect yourself. 


A great line I like to use after the usage is, “image rights granted with full payment.”


Make sure overtime is clear on your estimate – that the shoot day is based on the standard 10 hour day, anything over that will incur an overtime rate of time-and-a-half for crew. 


If you feel like you would do better if you had help with your bid, then hire the right person – like a rep, producer, or consultant. It could be well worth that commission fee if getting help will in the end leave you with a much larger rate than you would have gotten on your own. 


Tip #2: Negotiating


Clients can’t give you numbers, you have to throw numbers out there for them to bring you up or down. 


Always start with a higher amount and hope they say you are too high. You don’t want to be too low. 


Use questions about the details of the job to get a sense of each client. REALLY LISTEN. I have found that people want to tell us a lot more inside information than we give them the time or opportunity to reveal. 


Tip #3: Advances + Expenses


ALWAYS GET A 50% ADVANCE FOR A PHOTOSHOOT. 


To get this invoice in, you need to have their purchase order (PO) # on your invoice or at least a signed estimate. As soon as that happens, you can officially begin to start spending money. 


BE CAREFUL THOUGH, there are a lot of scams out there. If this is not for a major advertising agency or client you know, wait until you have been wired the advance invoice and it CLEARS at the bank before you spend ANY money for a job. 


If any changes occur before or during the shoot, you need to request an “overage” (send in an overage estimate) and when that is approved you can spend more $. 


Do not go over this total which you’ve been approved for, or you will not be able to charge for it. 


Tip #4: Payment


Invoicing for an advertising job after it is completed will often require backup of all receipts. 


This should be done correctly and I’d recommend getting a producer’s help and/or a bookkeeper who knows the business. 


Expect to be paid 30-60 days after the client receives your final invoice. 


Tip #5: CREATIVITY

(in all ways + places even *bidding*)


Think outside the box. 


Just like a good producer responds with options in a tough scenario, be your own innovative producer. 


Getting creative seems to be my response to all that is happening in our business right now. The entire industry is changing, so go with the flow of it and find your way. 


Use your experience wisely, but don’t let what you’ve done in the past limit or define you. Step outside your own thinking sometimes. Think young.

Drafting a Contract for a Client


Q:

I need to draft a contract for a client. Do you have any recommendations about making sure I’m using the correct language so it doesn’t bite me in the end?

A:

APA is a great resource for contracts and estimate forms. ASMP has advice about legal language too. APhotoEditor has great contributors, including an executive producer of Wonderful Machine, and they give sample estimates. Also refer to the ASR posts about what to include in your bid under the “job description.”

50% Advance

ALWAYS GET A 50% ADVANCE FOR A PHOTOSHOOT.

When Negotiating…

When negotiating, always wait for your clients to respond before offering more.

Standard Day Rate for a Photographer

Q:

What is the standard day rate for a photographer?

A:

The standard day rate, creative fee, or per shot assignment fee for a photographer depends on the industry they are in. I hear editorial is $500 per day unless it’s a magazine cover. Commercial advertising can run the gamut usually starting at $3,500, up to $6,500 or even around $15k for big jobs.

 

Also, factor location scouting, prep days, travel days and overseeing post production rates into that rate. And then remember to factor in all the costs of each industry.

 

Unfortunately there is no clear answer here but there are some great resources to reference. Those are noted below. 

 

Resources available for pricing help: visit @aphotoeditor online for pricing and bidding help, they feature sample estimates

@wonderfulmachine is also great and can step in and help with estimates. 

You can also always reach out to a photo agent with questions and we are often happy to hop on a job with you and negotiate your rates. Send industry related questions to [email protected].

Sales Tip

Sales tool number uno: sometimes keeping my mouth shut and listening